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Indeed, Brice Marden is known to work on a painting for a very long time. He toiled over The Propitious Garden of Plane Image, Second Version and The Propitious Garden of Plane, Image Third Version for six years, from 2000 to 2006. He's happy that these two large versions, which measure around two by seven meters, are now on view in Berlin next to each other. In San Francisco, a smaller version, 1.10 meters by 3.6 meters, hung next to a big version, while in New York it was only possible to hang the two large versions across from one another. Now in Berlin they can finally be compared directly, he says. He's overjoyed about this, because now the big difference between the two executions will be apparent.



Brice Marden: The Propitious Garden of Plane Image, Third Version
(Photographed unfinished in May 2006), 2000-2006
Collection the artist. Courtesy Matthew Marks Gallery, New York
©2006 Brice Marden/Artists Rights Society (ARS), New York


Is this because of the denser lines in the third version and particularly due to the greater luminosity of its colors? Yes, he says. His feel for different colors in general stands more out than in New York or San Francisco. The exhibition situation occupies him, he says. In New York there was hardly any natural light, and in San Francisco too much, so the rooms had to be darkened. In the natural light of the Hamburger Bahnhof, he says, he suddenly discovered a powerful aspect in both versions of The Propitious Garden of Plane Image that he hadn't seen before. He's not sure about the light in the other rooms of the Hamburger Bahnhof. He finds it very natural, although it's probably a mixture of artificial and natural light. It's a radiantly bright, powerful, natural light. The paintings look very colorful. And he painted them, he adds, in a similar powerful natural light.



Brice Marden: 6 Red Rock I, 2000-2002
Robert and Jane Meyerhoff Collection, Phoenix, Maryland
©2006 Brice Marden/Artists Rights Society (ARS), New York


What is the situation like when he paints? "What role does music play for you when you paint?" For example, Bob Dylan? Brice Marden is very sure about this: "He sang for me." – "Oh!" – He grins with amusement and then admits that Dylan sang for all of them, back then, but he insists that he sang for him in particular somehow. And who sings for him today? "Jay-Z." – "Oh!" – Is that right, Brice Marden listens to Hip Hop? His amusement grows. Yes, he says, he did The Propitious Garden of Plane Image with rap and hip-hop playing in the background, especially Jay-Z. When he was younger and had his studio in Manhattan, he drowned out the street noise, which disturbed his concentration when he painted, with music. His choice of music at that time was as important as his choice of paintbrush. Later, when he transferred his studio in the early 90s to the country, to Eagles Mere, Pennsylvania, he worked without music. But now, although his current studio in Rose Hill is also in a rural area, in Tivoli, New York, he has returned to his old mode of working and again defines how he paints with his selection of music and vice versa.



Brice Marden: Untitled # 3, 1986-87
Agnes Gund Collection
©2006 Brice Marden/Artists Rights Society (ARS), New York


The fact that he listens to Jay-Z indicates that Brice Marden is an urbane artist through and through. Even though he says that nature is a fundamental source of inspiration for him: "My painting comes from nature." I find it hard to recognize this in his works, particularly in the paintings he executed in the mid-80s, whose horizontal and vertical lines show a geometry, in my eyes, which I relate to the city. To me, they represent an sophisticated view of the steep high-rising rectangles of skyscrapers, the uniform color surfaces that buildings, streets, or squares take on due to the special incidence of light, darkened by mighty shadows or wan and pale on account of glistening sunlight. But the grid has in the meantime given way to very kinetic lines laid over one another? And so the landscape format of Adriatic (1972/73) and Nebraska (1966) shows a view of open nature extending to the horizon? I must admit that the pleasure of talking to him grows in the course of our conversation. And I have to admit that I nevertheless still want to make my point regarding the city. So I ask Brice Marden whether it is a special feeling to exhibit in Berlin. Yes, he says, he's never had a show in Berlin. He's had one in Kassel, at the documenta, which he's not going to visit now. But he's mainly had exhibitions in Cologne and Köln and Düsseldorf. There was even a time "in the 60s when I felt better accepted and more well known than in the U.S." In any case, he expects to encounter a seriously interested audience in Berlin because "Berlin is of course a very active art city and a good place for painting."

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